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Post by Grimm on May 21, 2019 11:06:07 GMT -5
This is more a general observation of the occasional RP that has been posted over the last several months...at the end of the day, this is an efed, meaning it is based around wrestling. I know that sometimes it's hard to seamlessly work in match relevance, but that's part of the scoring rubric. You're allowed to get creative with it. Whether you figure out how to work that in over the course of your piece, or you **shudders** tack it on as an afterthought in the form of badmouthing-your-opponent-while-staring-into-a-phone, it's important to get it in there somehow. That 'W' in 'PCW' doesn't just stand for 'Wordsmithy.'
Alrighty, then. As you were.
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Post by David Hunter on May 21, 2019 12:30:10 GMT -5
So there seems to be no in between with me.
Great.
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Post by Rick Majors on May 21, 2019 15:43:20 GMT -5
This is more a general observation of the occasional RP that has been posted over the last several months...at the end of the day, this is an efed, meaning it is based around wrestling. I know that sometimes it's hard to seamlessly work in match relevance, but that's part of the scoring rubric. You're allowed to get creative with it. Whether you figure out how to work that in over the course of your piece, or you **shudders** tack it on as an afterthought in the form of badmouthing-your-opponent-while-staring-into-a-phone, it's important to get it in there somehow. That 'W' in 'PCW' doesn't just stand for 'Wordsmithy.' Alrighty, then. As you were. I agree with this and I feel like it's not a popular opinion (so I haven't said anything). I have nothing to do with the scoring or judging roleplays, and the winners are based on the scores the judges provide me, so this is all just my personal opinion. Now that Grimm has said it I am no longer afraid. People can write whatever they want, obviously, but in my opinion I feel like roleplays should somehow relate to wrestling or your opponent, even if it's in a metaphorical way. It's nice that people write stories for their characters and it's great that these stories are more in-depth than the typical "I hate my opponent" roleplays, but I like if they are at least somewhat related to PCW somehow. Again, this is all my opinion as a person, not as the DWO or anything. This is not an official statement or "management's message" or anything.
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Post by Grimm on May 21, 2019 17:09:56 GMT -5
People can write whatever they want, obviously... Exactly. And like Rick said, I'm not sitting here deciding who wins and loses. It's just that back in the day, when A Ghost in the Wind was the lone judge, jury, and executioner, he posted the categories of his scoring matrix (it's "INFO: PCW Power Rankings & RP Scores" from March 2013 under the "Corporate Office" board, if you're interested), and even though he's not THE MAN anymore, I suspect those categories still come into play. For example: *Depth*
In this category, I'm looking at how much information was covered, character development, continuity of storyline, and match focus.
By information being covered, I'm referring to the overall development of the story; straying too far off the original point of the rp, however, will probably hurt the score of the roleplay.
When we say character development, I'm referring to any growth and change the character will certainly go through as time passes.
Continuity of storyline refers to any current storyline and/or angle one has going on, and match focus refers to the attention one will make upon their upcoming match (if applicable).
The length of a roleplay is also factored into this grade. If I think that an rp was cut [too] short and/or ended abruptly, or the rp was too long and felt drawn out, then it may be negatively affected. A good rp doesn't have a set length…what it should have is a good flow and the ability to keep the reader(s) interested.
I tend to look at roleplays, and their length, like they are chapters in books...some chapters are longer than others, but all that matters is the quality of the story. It's always quality over quantity, remember that.Again, feel free to write whatever scratches your itch. Just don't be shocked if you're not mowing down every opponent in your path. (I don't mean to turn this into an RP style discussion, but feedback is feedback.)
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David Hunter
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Post by David Hunter on May 21, 2019 17:16:41 GMT -5
I know there's a middle ground, it just seems impossible to obtain while still busting out pieces that could net you a win with a lot of the guys on the roster who are Ace. And that's without doing "talk in front of a phone and insult my opponent" shtick.
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Post by Kyle Shane on May 21, 2019 18:00:06 GMT -5
I think it depends on the roleplay. Strictly from my point of view I'm always looking at how to make it all fit. A roleplay to me is a construct, that's building to something, working it's way to a point. Sometimes that can be without trash talk or barely mentioning your opponents at all. Sometimes I have a lot to say about an opponent and I'm wracking my brain how to fit it into the story I'm telling. I have tried so hard to break the formula I got into with WGWF, paragraphs of story, break, paragraphs of trash talk.
But I do think trash talk... has a place here? Like you have to talk about your opponent, like it or not and sometimes just mentioning their name in a sentence isnt good enough.
At the very bottom of it I always hold true to how I first learned, it's all what you say. You make your opponent look bad, you deconstruct their thinking. Quite how to make that work in the light of PCW's more creative writing aspect is always the challenge. Sometimes I get the balance right. Sometimes I don't. Sometimes I say screw the balance and have to break into the story for 8 paragraphs wherein I insult the living shit out of someone. Like it or not, sometimes that's actually warranted and having a lot to say about your opponent is needed. I know, it's so much talking though.
I'm always down to improve or see what I can do better.
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Post by Holden Ross on May 21, 2019 18:36:50 GMT -5
Im still rpin like i did 10 years ago. I feel like im barely hangin in there
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Post by Gerard Angelo on May 21, 2019 23:40:23 GMT -5
I'm going to make sure I write my RP for the PPV with extra talking into the phone scenes for Grimm.
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Post by Kyle Shane on May 22, 2019 0:06:53 GMT -5
That's it's own weird little thing I've had to adapt, like I've always had the headcanon that when Kyle does trash talk it's by way of just sitting down on a stool, flipping on a camera with a tripod and just talking, but that didn't ever need to be said before. Until it became hard to fit that in a story break without acknowledging Kyle actually has a room in his place where he goes to film promos with a stool and a camera set up. So yeah, THAT part, that makes trash talking someone a little difficult because you can't have Kyle in the middle of another story, think about his opponent for one line and go "Ooooh you just wait, bad guy threatening me, I have to go back to my promo room at home and talk about this guy really quick". (I mean, as an example.) But if I didn't do that, then I feel like I wouldn't be saying what I'm coming to say so it does the whole point I'm trying to make a disservice.
But again, that's part of the more creative writing, how can I make this all fit and make sense aspect of it.
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Post by Grimm on May 22, 2019 5:39:11 GMT -5
Also, please keep in mind the original post may just be the ramblings of a dusty old fart whose writing has changed little in the 15 or so years he's been in PCW.
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Post by Rick Majors on May 22, 2019 11:50:49 GMT -5
Also, please keep in mind the original post may just be the ramblings of a dusty old fart whose writing has changed little in the 15 or so years he's been in PCW. He's basically been completely unsuccessful here too, so what does he know? *Hides*
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Post by Gerard Angelo on May 22, 2019 12:34:23 GMT -5
I miss trash talk sometimes, but PCW has helped me flesh out my character again so its not so bad. Considering this has been my main character since I started e-fedding back in '05.
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Post by A Ghost in the Wind on Jun 1, 2019 10:04:30 GMT -5
I love you all.
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Post by Rick Majors on Jun 1, 2019 19:13:41 GMT -5
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Post by Joey "The Handyman" Handy on Jun 3, 2019 7:42:28 GMT -5
I like cheese.
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Post by The Anarchist on Jun 3, 2019 7:51:34 GMT -5
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Post by Rick Majors on Jun 3, 2019 8:10:16 GMT -5
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