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Post by Grimm on Oct 8, 2015 7:12:46 GMT -5
To be determined at a later date.
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Post by Loki on Oct 8, 2015 7:27:29 GMT -5
So I don't have time before work to do full feedback so I'll post it later. An excellently written show but I, and I'm sure two others will as well, have a bit of an issue with the NA/Int match. I'll go into it in detail when I post full feedback.
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Post by A Ghost in the Wind on Oct 8, 2015 7:50:47 GMT -5
Before you, Loki, or Non Compos Mentis or Eira, go into "detail," please understand this OOC caveat: three out of four handlers in the NA/INT Title Match tied in RP score. The only one who did not was Showtime. However, the stipulation of the match stated that the first fall was for the NA Title, and the second fall was for the INT Title. I reached out to all four handlers prior to sending Rick Majors the notes, and I determined the outcome of the match because we can explain it IC. The OOC explaining is real easy- Showtime won, but we needed two falls, and one of the falls were a tie. Instead of having another draw, we instead went with a non-finish so that we can clean it up IC. Remember, there are usually IC and OOC factors that go into the decisionmaking, and sometimes we just have to play it out and see what happens; It's not ideal for us either, but I assume you guys know this... EDIT: I loved the Rumble, btw. The Underground Matches were very well-written, and despite the shitty finish, I thought the 4-way was great in terms of action. The World Title Match seemed to be a bit overshadowed, and I'm not sure if it's because I was expecting more or if it was the hype going into the event, but either way that's unfortunate; Saniti-Sadistic(-and Kelli Starr) have a pretty solid history. Still though, the match in terms of mechanics and quality was there, so no complaints. Overall, a very enjoyable show. Braddock/Bubba: ***
Sea Men/TUHA/J&J: ***
Kaard/NCM/Showtime/Eira: *** (Would have been ****, but -1 star for the finish)
Sadistic/Saniti: ***
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Post by Eira on Oct 8, 2015 9:11:15 GMT -5
Given the three personalities mentioned, it was wildly entertaining to me to be able to 'hear' in Luis' voice the wealth of unspoken meaning behind the word "detail" (in quotation marks, no less!). xD there are usually IC and OOC factors that go into the decision making, and sometimes we just have to play it out and see what happens; The above is why I didn't go into any "detail" last night after reading the results. xD You don't generally go for the tied up non-finishing-finishes of inconclusive conclusions without some kind of reason. |
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Post by Rick Majors on Oct 8, 2015 9:32:08 GMT -5
The above is why I didn't go into any "detail" last night after reading the results. xD You don't generally go for the tied up non-finishing-finishes of inconclusive conclusions without some kind of reason. That's it exactly. I never go for the screw job type non-finish ending unless it's required. I don't like screw jobs when someone wins in scoring and, if you look at my history here, I've tended to strongly favour clean wins when one person outscores another, especially in big matches. Honestly, it sucks when there's a tie in a big match, such as the match in question or the Gem/Sadistic match from the last PPV. It makes sense to have decisive winners in those matches. I wanted to have decisive winners in those matches. But, unless you want us to select winners based on anything other than roleplay scores (which I don't think anyone wants) we have to have draws and non-finishes sometimes. This isn't WWE where the winners are scripted in advance. When there's a tie in scores, you either have to have a draw/non-finish or you have to unfairly give someone the win and someone else the loss despite the fact that their scores were tied. If you hate those two options, please let me know what other option there is as I can't honestly come up with one. The only other option I can think of is giving a "championship advantage" where, in the result of a tie, the current champion gets the nod. Does anyone want that? |
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Post by High Tide on Oct 8, 2015 9:40:26 GMT -5
The above is why I didn't go into any "detail" last night after reading the results. xD You don't generally go for the tied up non-finishing-finishes of inconclusive conclusions without some kind of reason. If you hate those two options, please let me know what other option there is as I can't honestly come up with one. The only other option I can think of is giving a "championship advantage" where, in the result of a tie, the current champion gets the nod. Does anyone want that? I actually think that's not a half bad idea when it comes to big matches if draws/non-conclusive finishes bother people. It makes sense that if things are tied up, the champion hasn't been beaten therefore he/she would retain the belt? |
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Post by Eira on Oct 8, 2015 9:41:43 GMT -5
The only other option I can think of is giving a "championship advantage" where, in the result of a tie, the current champion gets the nod. Does anyone want that? *adopts cantankerous elder voice* THIS is how you get angle feds. Do you want an angle fed?! xD In seriousness, I would think that kind of policy would cheapen any wins gained by way of that method while also creating more of a frustrating, disappointing loss by way of the same. |
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Post by Eira on Oct 8, 2015 9:43:30 GMT -5
If you hate those two options, please let me know what other option there is as I can't honestly come up with one. The only other option I can think of is giving a "championship advantage" where, in the result of a tie, the current champion gets the nod. Does anyone want that? I actually think that's not a half bad idea when it comes to big matches if draws/non-conclusive finishes bother people. It makes sense that if things are tied up, the champion hasn't been beaten therefore he/she would retain the belt? I thought that was how it already worked for 1 v 1 matches... I think it was meant more for multiple person matches with belts on the line that have non-standard rules (ie: 4 competitors, 2 falls, first fall gets NA and 2nd fall gets INT) rather than 1 v 1 standard title defense or even 4 v 4 for just a single belt with a pinfall deciding the winner. |
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Post by Rick Majors on Oct 8, 2015 9:47:47 GMT -5
Yes, there were special considerations in mind that made this fourway, two-fall match especially difficult. When I booked it, I didn't assume that all of you would be so damn even!  |
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Post by High Tide on Oct 8, 2015 9:57:40 GMT -5
I actually think that's not a half bad idea when it comes to big matches if draws/non-conclusive finishes bother people. It makes sense that if things are tied up, the champion hasn't been beaten therefore he/she would retain the belt? I thought that was how it already worked for 1 v 1 matches... I think it was meant more for multiple person matches with belts on the line that have non-standard rules (ie: 4 competitors, 2 falls, first fall gets NA and 2nd fall gets INT) rather than 1 v 1 standard title defense or even 4 v 4 for just a single belt with a pinfall deciding the winner. That's what I mean, since it happens in 1v1 matches, if no one beats the champ, the champ is still the champ? I think it would make sense even in a match like this, but I also have no problems with draws/weird endings in matches either so :3. Said the word champ too many times sounds funny in my head now! |
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Post by Mr. Showtime on Oct 8, 2015 10:20:44 GMT -5
I think the only time that I've seen a 1 V 1 tie that didn't let the champ retain was Showtime Vs. Kaard in the Ladder match. They were given the co-champ tag, but that's also a special situation since they both brought the belt down.
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Post by The Anarchist on Oct 8, 2015 19:05:29 GMT -5
Before I get to the matches themselves, I want to say that this was an awesome show. The card on paper looked great and the written result of it was nothing short of spectacular (controversy aside). Needless to say, the proposed main event for the next PPV is one I'm REALLY looking forward to.
I'll try to keep things brief. Emphasis on try lol.
I love the Underground division. It's seriously one of my favorite things to read on the shows, especially because all sorts of crazy shit happens. Each time I read it, I just wonder "what's next?" in terms of weaponry and more specifically, how the objects will get used. Braddock and Bubba wasn't a match, it was a damn war. A damn violent one at that. Right off the bat with a doctored coal miner's glove, Bubba used a SUICIDE DIVE (and at his size, that's like a freight train diving at you. Ok, maybe not THAT big, but you get my point) and the fight was on. The fact it began with the reputation the division has, was nice. As was the use of the railroad spike, as it really keeps the past fresh in our minds and lends to consistency. Great start here. Can't wait to see the train wreck that is to come on Trauma.
My first ever foray into the division was next. I want to point out that I had suggested delivering my finisher (frog splash) through not only a table propped onto the announce table, but through the announce table as well. In my head it just seemed like a cool spot, and was a nice throwback to my early days. This was well written and allowed all six involved to shine both individually and in teams. I also appreciate the dissection of all three teams based on power, speed and a mix of both, as everyone really is diverse. This was a straight out chaotic fight with plenty of hallmark weapon uses. Congrats to Wasp for picking up the win!
I LOVED the Sadistic/Saniti segment. I just wanted to get that in there. Josh and Dan are top notch writers, and it really showed in their interaction. Plus it pulled Dollface into the arc, as both have history with her. Again, excellent use for consistency sake. Oh and a funny moment with Saniti smacking Sadistic with the cane.
The fatal four way. This was a match that gave me fits in predicting, and was the match I was really looking forward to. I think how I felt about it matches what Andy said on the radio show. Like the other matches (and the entire show in general) this was written very, very well. As soon as the bell rung, I expected the 3-1 for the obvious reason, and then the turn to everyone for themselves. Lots of near falls, energy and action action action here. Even with Eira less than 100%, she had a good showing. I'm curious to see how the relationship between her and NCM works out going forward, especially with the video she released earlier. Congrats to Michael on winning the first fall! I was amused by him wanting both belts, and then had to re-read the controversial conclusion (had a headache last night, so I read the show again this morning). Initially I was disappointed, I'll just get that out there. The explanation here in the feedback helped turn that around, to where I could be like "that makes sense then" because honestly, non-finishes suck. But there was a three-way tie here, so what can ya do? So, that should make for an exciting bit of clarity on the next Trauma and going forward to the PPV in December. But regardless, this was a fine sample of something much bigger in the future. I think it will pay dividends once it reaches it's conclusion.
Saniti and Sadistic was good, but seemed shorter than I thought it would be. Especially given the backstory here. Sadistic has just been such a dominating champion (going off what I know since returning), beating everyone in his way regardless of what's put in front of him. So a big round of applause to Josh, because he really is freakin awesome at this. Kelli is at the heart of the matter here again, and seeing as how this one ended, I'm looking forward to seeing how Saniti takes to her presence at THAT very moment. More importantly, the continuation of Sadistic-Dollface-Saniti. It really is a fun dynamic to read and as I've stated previously, I'm a fan of all three.
Having never participated in The Deadly Rumble match, I was excited about getting involved. I honestly wasn't expecting to have a hand in an elimination, let alone being in the final four. So THAT was quite a surprise for me. But I loved reading this match, as I'm a fan of that match type. Hats off to both Crazy Boy and Judge for lasting as long as they did. Alexa FINALLY got her hands on Dollface and wasn't hauled away for attempted murder (or would the insanity plea come in?). He whose name won't be said (out of respect to you NCM) was a nice surprise and a fast elimination. Congrats to Nate for winning this match, and deservedly so. It was fitting that it came down to he and Dollface, given THAT backstory. Very nice touch and she held her own for as long as she good. Fun match here and I hope to do it again next year.
Grimm v Sadistic. HOLY SHIT is all I'll say. Get the popcorn ready.
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Post by Eira on Oct 8, 2015 19:07:26 GMT -5
Grimm v Sadistic. HOLY SHIT is all I'll say. Get the popcorn ready. ^ THIS  |
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Post by Judge on Oct 9, 2015 6:34:23 GMT -5
I'm surprised I lasted as long in the Rumble...
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Post by Judge on Oct 9, 2015 6:36:19 GMT -5
I wrote a little for the Underground match, so I hope I did everyone's character's justice.
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Post by Stormm on Oct 9, 2015 12:04:38 GMT -5
This certainly was an entertaining PPV, to be certain. The NA/IN title match, while I understand it from an OOC perspective, was handled very weirdly IC. Then again, it should be interesting to see how it all plays out at the next Trauma. The World title match was great, given the back and forth between Saniti and Sadistic earlier in the show, but was also kind of a switch between the two from a wrestling perspective, with Nathan going heel and Sadistic playing the face. Hmm, how will this turn out on Trauma?!  The Rumble, though, was the first time I've been involved with this match in the almost 5 years I've been back to PCW. So I was definitely looking forward to this. OMG The Brochamp!! I have to say I was on the edge of my seat this whole time! I always like rumble style matches, and order of entrants and any surprises and such is always very entertaining! Lots of action between everyone, and only a small handful of those that didn't really last long in this match. I was shocked to have been 1 of the final 3, and was even more ecstatic to see the back and forth between Stormm and The Anarchist, given the history me and Jase have through the years in eW! Honestly, not winning or even being one of the final two was kind of overshadowed (for me) in the fact that I got to eliminate Willard from the match (sorry Jason! ) Grats to Grimm, though! The Black Hand is all over it! Overall, this was a fantastic show! Looking forward to seeing how everything plays out up until the next PPV and to our annual holiday break! |
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Post by The Anarchist on Oct 9, 2015 12:57:43 GMT -5
I wrote a little for the Underground match, so I hope I did everyone's character's justice. You definitely did mine justice. Very appreciated. Justin: I dug that myself! It was a neat exchange to see and like you said, especially with how long we've fedded together. Hahaha no worries on the elimination. I actually chuckled over you being the one responsible for it. |
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Post by Alexa Black on Oct 9, 2015 16:53:25 GMT -5
That was a fantastic PPV.
Every match was so well written and I couldn't believe
how crazy some of them were.
My match of the night had to go to the triple threat tornado tag match for the PCW Underground Championship
It was absolutely wild!.
I also enjoyed Braddock vs Bubba as well I hope we see more matches between those two in PCW if they don't kill each other first.
And Brother vs Brother at the next PPV? Oh I can't wait to see how that turns out. It's going to be crazy times in Hangtown!
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Post by Loco on Oct 10, 2015 1:34:41 GMT -5
Grimm v Sadistic. HOLY SHIT is all I'll say. Get the popcorn ready. ^ THIS If I'm not mistaken, this path has crossed before. |
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Post by Braddock on Oct 10, 2015 2:05:37 GMT -5
I also enjoyed Braddock vs Bubba as well I hope we see more matches between those two in PCW if they don't kill each other first. Many matches to come |
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