Did I take it too far?

[Nathan Saniti]

I was listening to the Pulse, and what I had feared would happen came to light. Now, I feel compelled to ask: Did I take the whole magical happenstances in Trauma 187 too far? Are people getting sick of seeing it? I will respect everyone's input on this, but allow me the ability to retort if needed.

Before we discuss, let me explain why I did what I did. I did it to push my own storyline (as well as a few other people's) in the directions planned in our RPs, not necessarily on the shows. That may be a bad choice to mix the story world and the "real" PCW.

I know people have expressed feelings in the past of "magic doesn't have a place in real fake wrestling. Let me defuse that argument right now with a single word: Undertaker. In both his early career and during the "Attitude Era," he used his "presence" to do things that make what Saniti does look pale. He's erupted from UNDER the ring to grab Diesel and drag him down into hell, he started the (now cliché) "lights out, lights on" sudden appearance. He even crucified someone (I can't remember who at this point).

The point is, I know some real-life magicians, so I have a general idea of how stage magic works and can work in a wrestling environment. I absolutely LOVE magic, even knowing what's behind the curtain. I also love wrestling, also knowing what's behind the curtain. Was the column of smoke a bit too much? Perhaps. Could it be done on television? Absolutely? Could it have been done live realistically? Questionable.

I've seen things happen on shows in other feds (Raven/ Justin will attest to this) that truly make Saniti's antics look like parlor tricks as Alexa Black calls them. I want people to enjoy our product, whether they are members or visitors. So if you all tell me to knock it off, I will without the butthurt.

Anyhoo. Just telling my side of the story. I'm truly interested in knowing what you all think. I will remain respectable, so if I come off as stand-offish, just know that it's not intended that way.

[Grimm]

I need to read the results first.

That being said, I don't expect whatever you're referring to as being anything that's beyond what PCW has produced over the last 10-ish years. Or is this poll the result of the Trauma results themselves, because we've always let people do whatever they want in RPs. There's an old thread that addresses your magic on TV floating around somewhere...I think the general consensus then was all is good as long as you can explain it away with special effects.

[Grimm]

Follow-up...

So I skimmed through the segment in question, and even though it's pretty trippy as far as professional wrestling is concerned I don't think it's much different than anything else Nathan Saniti has done on shows in the past. If it was okay then, it should be okay now.

[Eira]

Feb 21, 2016 10:12:12 GMT -5 Nathan Saniti said:

Undertaker. In both his early career and during the "Attitude Era," he used his "presence" to do things that make what Saniti does look pale. He's erupted from UNDER the ring to grab Diesel and drag him down into hell, he started the (now cliché) "lights out, lights on" sudden appearance. He even crucified someone (I can't remember who at this point).

Undertaker has been my litmus test for a lot of what I see in PCW as far as whether or not we've maybe gone over the top this time. I haven't seen much in PCW "magic" wise that can't be explained away somehow. Murdoc punches people with fire. Lantlas was an elf. Machine was billed as some kind of mashup between Frankenstein's Monster and the Terminator. You're doing pretty damn alright.

...it was Stephanie McMahon, by the way. 17 year old me was envious beyond words.

On a purely personal note, I happen to like all the magic/occult/spooky/weird stuff that PCW allows. I think I'd be bored out of my mind if this were just a generic "I ARE KING OF WRESTLERMANS. I WRESTLE ALL THE MANS. BUT I AM KING." kind of place.

[Non Compos Mentis]

I have to echo Grimm, really. In real-life practical terms I'm not sure what's been happening would be workable, but I'm under no illusions that what we're doing has to be devotedly realistic. We've all had moments that wouldn't work in the WWE, and while we look to be within the realms of realism we also have some gosh-darn fun with this pretendy funtime wrestling. As long as we're not turning into the efed equivalent of the X-Men with invincible people, lazer-eyes etc etc, I'm cool with most shenanigans.

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I liked it Saniti, to be honest. Though I always ask myself that Question as well and, to be honest, I've been in the same boat as of lately not knowing if my Sebastian Stone character is going to be something taken too far...

[Eira]

Feb 21, 2016 14:13:09 GMT -5 @dave said:

I've been in the same boat as of lately not knowing if my Sebastian Stone character is going to be something taken too far...

If this helps reassure you at all, from what I've seen thus far you're gonna do just fine here.

[Mr. Showtime]

I for one don't think you've taken it too far, but it took all of my effort not to vote I love lamp...what? I love lamp.

The way I always think about it is with special effects in ring can this be pulled off. I mean story lines are just that. Kane never actually made fire erupt from the corners of the ring. Or maybe he did, what the hell do I know.

Usali Basilisk brought someone back from the dead. No issues with that.

[Grimm]

Feb 21, 2016 19:47:51 GMT -5 Mr. Showtime said:

Usali Basilisk brought someone back from the dead. No issues with that.

Exactly. And come to think of it, I say 'So what' if we DO want all this magical realism to be considered as actual events in the ring. None of this is real, anyway, and I reckon there are plenty of other options if someone prefers their efedding to be the trash-talking-in-the-ring kind.

[Eira]

Feb 21, 2016 20:12:07 GMT -5 Grimm said:

Feb 21, 2016 19:47:51 GMT -5 Mr. Showtime said:

Usali Basilisk brought someone back from the dead. No issues with that.

Exactly. And come to think of it, I say 'So what' if we DO want all this magical realism to be considered as actual events in the ring. None of this is real, anyway, and I reckon there are plenty of other options if someone prefers their efedding to be the trash-talking-in-the-ring kind.

Very much all of the this.

[A Ghost in the Wind]

Just don't get carried away.