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Post by "The Asshole" Whitey Ford on May 11, 2017 23:23:57 GMT -5
So, if I'm going to continue to watch WWE and blow up the Shoutbox about it, I might as well make a thread so we can all discuss it! I'll be posting here while watching RAW, SD, and NXT. This time, I'll continue on from the point I left off in the shoutbox...
Smackdown:
Rowan vs Harper...ok, fine. Harper looks great, I think he lost weight since I last saw him on TV. I like both of these guys but it's already been done! Maybe that's why the crowd is so fucking dead during this match. Shitty finisher that Rowan used, Harper is by far more deserving of a push than him. ZERO crowd reaction, I feel bad for both of those guys. That must be unnverving to know that London doesn't give a shit about your match but cheers during every other one.
Ziggler is still one of my favorites, even as a heel. He's a natural. I'm interested to see the match against Nakamura, because from the clips I've watched they're both super entertaining.
How long do you think it'll take for people to get sick of Nakamura's entrance music? I still love it but it'll happen eventually. Damn, dude's actually pretty tall. Taller than Dolph! Great job giving him a couple lines to break the language barrier. Less is better! Holy fuck though, Nakamura can strike. He has to have some amazing accuracy not to hurt his opponents, because those knees looked legit. I'm excited for this match.
Sami Zayn is one hell of a talker, and I really like his ring work. Young guy talking too much around the vets Orton and Styles, that was funny.
I'm glad the Ascension are jobbers. They're fucking terrible. The Uso's "12 days" schtick was a little much but I thought it was funny enough. The Uso's have charisma and I've always enjoyed watching their matches. Well...minus when they were teamed with the black hole of popularity that is Tamina.
The main event was really good, I thought...or think so far. But I'm getting really sick of the commentators saying "Randy has never looked better!" They've said it for fucking years and he's always been shit, so c'mon. We're not buying it. He's famous for hitting clotheslines, a scoop slam, a second rope DDT, and the RKO. 4 moves of doom, but he's not fun to watch like HBK or even Cena. The Cobra Clutch slam is laughable...it's just a regular slam. There are so many unique finishers nowadays, they need to give Jinder something better.
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Post by "The Asshole" Whitey Ford on May 11, 2017 23:26:07 GMT -5
The thing about Jinder Mahal is that, as Seromine pointed out, he's a career jobber. But he's really not terrible. Give him a new finisher, keep his two lackeys around, and polish up the mic work and he's pretty decent.
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Post by Alexa Black on May 11, 2017 23:44:33 GMT -5
The thing about Jinder Mahal is that, as Seromine pointed out, he's a career jobber. But he's really not terrible. Give him a new finisher, keep his two lackeys around, and polish up the mic work and he's pretty decent. What would you suggest for a finisher?
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Post by Kyle Shane on May 12, 2017 0:12:15 GMT -5
Nakamura is one of my faves. When I was curious about New Japan because I was hearing buzz about AJ Styles joining Bullet Club, Nakamura was one of the gateway drugs there into New Japan as a whole. Dude is legit. He has such a weird charisma that I can't believe he would ever fit in to WWE. My fear with him on Smackdown is this Artist Known as Nakamura gimmick, a sorta Michael Jackson Prince vibe they're connecting to him and thats... yes he has said he likes MJ, but that is a terribly reductive gimmick and it's not him. I just don't think Vince understands what he really has there. And it just seems like he's trying to make him palatable to the cheap seats by like what did JBL say, "dances like Michael Jackson, hits like Mike Tyson"
Another problem too is as Whitey said. If all they have for the dude is to come out, have the crowd sing along to his music and him pose, it'll make them pop for a while, but how long?
I'm not sold on Jinder as a main eventer, but then the gimmick he's playing has been done so many times and there's only so many times you can see a foreign guy who's claim is that he's intellectually superior and rich but gets no respect from Americans. Fuck, Kevin Owens is doing a nationalist gimmick now, on the same show, AND they have Rusev, who that was his entire personality.
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Post by Loki on May 12, 2017 0:25:29 GMT -5
The thing about Jinder Mahal is that, as Seromine pointed out, he's a career jobber. But he's really not terrible. Give him a new finisher, keep his two lackeys around, and polish up the mic work and he's pretty decent. What would you suggest for a finisher? As big as Jinder is, give him a good power finisher. I always loved Ron Simmons Dominator. It was quick, simple, and looked brutal as fuck.
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Post by "The Asshole" Whitey Ford on May 12, 2017 0:26:21 GMT -5
NXT:
Ok, Aleister Black. Get a feud already. I'm curious if he can actually hit those precision kicks that cleanly every time...but so far, he's done really well. I like his entrance has well, raising up from the ground like that.
Nikki Cross is really entertaining being crazy. I liked how she laughed at Ember Moon laying in a heap last week, but I'm sure she didn't know she was actually injured. As for Ruby, she's not bad herself. I think that the main shows of WWE should go back to doing little 'backstory pieces' on the wrestlers. It makes a connection; I still remember the Eddie Guerrero story against Brock Lesnar they ran for the PPV he won the title at. Not verbatim , obviously, but I remember I was really, REALLY behind Eddie to win that night. It helps.
DIY just doesn't do it for me. They're kinda cool, but mostly boring.
Just starting Strong vs. Hitami, and I can see potential here. Unfortunately I have the feeling the Strong is going to get the Cesaro treatment if he gets pulled up to the main roster; a fan favorite but never gets the fame he deserves. Same thing for Bobby Roode, but not as much...I think Rhoode just has more of the 'look' than Strong does. As for Hitami, how long as it been since there was a prominent star in WWE from Japan? I can't think of anything recent. I think his success largely rests on the success of Nakamura. If The Artist doesn't do well, Hitami's push will be pulled.
So far so good. I'm enjoying the nostalgia of when I used to watch ROH, with the moves that Strong is pulling. I'm glad that Vince decided to take the leap and look to other wrestling orginizations to expand his moveset for his wrestlers. The moves are always evolving; I especially like that they're utilizing the apron for slams and strikes more. Hitami with a tornado DDT that connects on the top rope? Fuck yeah, by the way!
I'm a little disapointed that Hideo got the win, but they did build him up more against the champ so it's ok. Roderick Strong will be on the main roster soon, regardless, I hope. The ending was great, making Strong look very resilient and having a 'never die' attitude.
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Post by "The Asshole" Whitey Ford on May 12, 2017 0:31:58 GMT -5
The thing about Jinder Mahal is that, as Seromine pointed out, he's a career jobber. But he's really not terrible. Give him a new finisher, keep his two lackeys around, and polish up the mic work and he's pretty decent. What would you suggest for a finisher? Like Tom said, Jinder is a big dude. Give him a power finisher. Anything! Even a sit out powerbomb. My problem with the cobra clutch finisher is that it's only a cobra clutch until he lifts them up. As in, the exact second he starts to lift the up. Besides the useless arm posturing in the beginning, it's just a regular ol' slam. If he were to hold the cobra clutch WHILE slamming his opponent, I'd be ok with it. Basically just a regular slam still but it looks different and that's all that matters.
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Post by Kyle Shane on May 12, 2017 2:01:37 GMT -5
Hideo is one of those guys that's been in NXT so long is kind of holding him back. I mean yeah, he was hit with a few unfortunate injuries, but before that they were letting others who came in around the same time as him, like Kevin Owens and Finn Balor pass him by like he was standing still. And he hasn't had a defining moment in NXT. So maybe this NXT title feud is sort of a last chance do or die storyline for him.
Bobby Roode I can see going far. He's got the polished, Triple H in Evolution look and he is a very solid heel, I think he's going to do well in NXT and be on his way to Smackdown before the end of the year, he would make a solid upper mid carder.
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Post by Loki on May 12, 2017 9:06:37 GMT -5
I think what you mean to say is that Bobby Roode is GLORIOUS!
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Post by Loki on May 12, 2017 9:08:42 GMT -5
What would you suggest for a finisher? Like Tom said, Jinder is a big dude. Give him a power finisher. Anything! Even a sit out powerbomb. My problem with the cobra clutch finisher is that it's only a cobra clutch until he lifts them up. As in, the exact second he starts to lift the up. Besides the useless arm posturing in the beginning, it's just a regular ol' slam. If he were to hold the cobra clutch WHILE slamming his opponent, I'd be ok with it. Basically just a regular slam still but it looks different and that's all that matters. Yeah, his finisher is weak as shit and he doesn't have the charisma to get a weaksauce finisher over like Rock and Hogan could.
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Post by "The Asshole" Whitey Ford on May 24, 2017 13:00:20 GMT -5
Smackdown definitely is better than RAW. I love Angle, but Shane is better. Smackdown also has a lot more interesting wrestlers. The opening segment has an incredible amount of super entertaining wrestlers! Corbin, Ziggler, Nakamura, Zayn...AJ STYLES AND KEVIN OWENS?!?! This is awesome, I could see any of these guys winning the MOTB match.
Will RAW have it's own MOTB match? That'd be cool. I picture (blank) winning a WWE title match, then RAW's MOTB winner cashes in and gets an easy win...then Smackdown's MOTB winner runs out and it's another full match for the title, to see which show it goes to. That'd be cool, right?
Anyone else think that Kevin Owens looks like a really mean Seth Rogan?
The women's match on Smackdown tonight seemed more than a little overplayed. I get it, now they're showing that the three faces are working together...so are we going to see another match at MOTB? Ugh...I dunno, I'm just not that into it.
HAHAHA, the quick win by Zayn made me happy, but I should have seen the Corbin attack coming. Kinda lame attacks though...guess they're not putting Zayn on the shelf, but I mean...it seemed like Sami won the match, then instantly was layed low by simple punches and kicks and whatnot. There was a chair shot and he slammed him against the barriers a few times, but it definitely didn't seem like that was fucking stretcher worthy.
Dude. Fandango is actually REALLY funny. His mannerisms make me laugh so much. The donut bit? Awesome.
So, Jinder Mahal's celebration was something different. But JBL ruined it for me. "Wow. This is. This is amazing." All said in an extremely monotone voice. Seriously, dude? He did pick up the voice inflection after that line, but I assume it's because he was told to do his fucking job.
More to come, gotta go to work.
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Post by Loki on May 24, 2017 13:15:04 GMT -5
JBL is fucking awful and they need to take him off TV. He's got a proven track record of being a huge bully and has driven more than one person away from the company, most recently Mauro Ranallo who was an amazing commentator.
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Post by Loki on May 24, 2017 13:16:29 GMT -5
Also huge props to Orton for not sleepwalking through his title match with Jinder. I think Orton is suprememly boring but he can put on good matches from time to time. Backlash was one of them. Him just throwing the Singh Brothers around on the outside was awesome.
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Post by Alexa Black on May 24, 2017 15:32:02 GMT -5
Also huge props to Orton for not sleepwalking through his title match with Jinder. I think Orton is suprememly boring but he can put on good matches from time to time. Backlash was one of them. Him just throwing the Singh Brothers around on the outside was awesome. The guy almost landed smack on his head. But Randy's "Oh shit!" look after was hilarious
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Post by Loki on May 24, 2017 16:51:15 GMT -5
Yeah, that could have botched hard.
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Post by "The Asshole" Whitey Ford on May 25, 2017 1:16:55 GMT -5
The Uso's are actually pretty convincing as heels. They were great happy go lucky faces, but now they pull off the douchebag role perfectly. Still, put the belts on Fandango and Breeze! They don't even have to be the best wrestlers, they're just super entertaining to watch. What a great 'couple' of matches.
OH shit! Tag team title match! Didn't see that coming. Still think Breezango should have won but the finish was pretty cool.
The main event was a lot of fun. i'm glad they gave it a good amount of time, and Ziggler/Owens looked really strong as a team, at the same time as showing Nakamura's resilience. Same thing with Styles. i'm surprised this match is so one sided. The ending was predictable but everyone in the match looked fucking great. Is it just me or did the knee that Owens took at the end look legit?
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Post by The Anarchist on May 25, 2017 3:35:21 GMT -5
I was hoping like hell for Breezango to take the titles. Both times. Nope. Because they want New Day in there.
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Post by Kyle Shane on May 25, 2017 3:42:01 GMT -5
They also have just sorta forgotten American Alpha exist.
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Post by The Anarchist on May 25, 2017 5:20:46 GMT -5
They also have just sorta forgotten American Alpha exist. this. How the hell that's possible is beyond me. AA should be a cornerstone of the SD tag division. If there was ever a team that reminded me of The Steiner Brothers at their best, it's those two. Gable and Jordan are just friggen excellent in the ring. I'd say send them to RAW, but the same problem would exist I'm afraid.
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Post by Loki on May 25, 2017 9:12:58 GMT -5
Is it just me or did the knee that Owens took at the end look legit? That's Strong Style for you. And yeah, it's a shame that AA are kind of non-factors right now. I'm a little dissapointed that The Revival didn't end up on Smackdown, I'd have loved to see some rematches between them and American Alpha.
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